Steve wrote: As I e-mailed you the other day, I’ve
been following the developing thread over on Shikon regarding ‘Should an
Instructor be a Good Fighter?’ and naturally when my name gets a mention
with regard to natural movement and so-called similarities between myself
and Steve Rowe, I’m more than interested.
Dennis, I hope the clip I sent you will help you get a visual handle on the
guy with whom you have been discussing mindset and instinctive/intuitive
responses when ‘doing the business’. You are spot on with your comments that
Steve Rowe’s approach to martial arts and my own are like chalk and cheese.
Gavin’s claim that Steve Rowe’s approach to martial arts training etc. and
my own are complementary, opposite parts of the same whole, is a fantasy
that he’s having. It’s wishful thinking.
Don’t get me wrong. Steve Rowe is a stand-up guy, and I’ve told him as much
in our meetings and by e-mail. But I’ve also told him that what he preaches
and practices represents everything (as far as I’m concerned) that’s wrong
with the martial arts. Sure, we may both have principle-based approaches to
our respective martial art practices, and indeed some of these principles
might appear to some to be similar, or even the same, due to the limitations
of language in describing physical phenomena. But that resemblance is only
superficial, on the level of language. For example, when Steve Rowe talks
about explosive power, and the ways that one might go about enhancing it
(not to mention demonstrating it in realistic combative
scenarios/situations) he’s talking about something a million miles away from
what I mean by explosive power and how to use it within an engagement.
People have just got to look at his Tai Chi combative video, which talks
about his eight principles with regard to combat, and then look at my stuff
up on You Tube, and you’ll see there’s no similarity at all. But you’re well
aware of this, Dennis.
It’s the same with our respective students: no comparison. This was obvious
(to me, at least) when I attended Shi Kon with Bob Allen and Raj Saigal.
These two guys, compared to Rowe’s students (including Gavin) were on a
completely different level. And not because they were doing something that
Rowe’s students were not familiar with, but at a fundamental level they knew
what they were doing, dynamically and tactically, and why. Rowe’s students,
in my opinion, did not. And the reason for that, again in my opinion, was
that their fundamentals were flawed.
And I told Rowe as much in a conversation over the phone. At that time I was
anticipating that I’d be going back to help them revamp what they were
doing, and my remarks were in line with the expectation that I had work to
do to bring the Shi Kon membership along. At that time I’d been led to
believe that I was going to have an input at Shi Kon. That input hasn’t
materialised, but I see that my name is used to shore up discussions of
martial art concepts.
That obvious difference between my students and Rowe’s would have been more
apparent to Gavin or any other student of Steve Rowe’s had they visited
Primal in Coventry and mixed it up with some of my guys there. How the hell
Gavin can draw such a conclusion through only reading my website and
attending two lessons and having a couple of conversations with me, this is
beyond me. And Dennis, I’m sure it’s beyond you as well.
Dennis, there are a lot of guys out there singing my praises, but failing to
listen to what I’m saying. But from my experience, they only want to take on
that which will support their personal views of the martial arts or that
which will add to their credibility as teachers/trainers. They haven’t
really taken on board what I’m saying, or as is more likely the case, they
don’t believe that my criticisms apply to them. So no matter how many times
I repeat ‘the majority of martial artists are engaging in seriously flawed
practices’ nobody is listening. And I might as well go outside and piss in
the wind.
They believe in their practices and will find any way, or do any thing, that
will validate what they do. Except, of course, testing what they do either
in open competition or in some form of dissimilar/aggressor training.
Because they know that in all probability what they’re doing wouldn’t work
against a man who can really fight.
I’ve told them that I’m their enemy, and as such I will tell them what they
need to know rather than (as their friends might) what they want to know.
But their response has been to embrace me as if I were their friend. Maybe
it’s a case of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. Or maybe
they’re just in denial. I really don’t know.
None of this criticism is personal, and I remain on friendly terms with
Steve Rowe and his guys. But I don’t want to become part of their networking
or their groups, which seem to me a mutual admiration society in which
everyone’s practices are accepted uncritically.
Dennis, as you know I would really like to help these guys, but for many
different reasons they don’t seem to want my help. There’s a thread going on
over on Karate Underground with regards to hikite, and which was started by
Tommy P on Wednesday the 14th March 2007, and after 154 replies and 19,000
views, the experts still haven’t a clue what they’re talking about.
And that, Dennis, sums it up for me.
The majority of information being exchanged on martial arts sites is
complete bullshit. Very few people out there really seem to know what
they’re talking about, and those who do (like yourself) have had a wide
experience of real fights through their life circumstances or professions.
When I talk about real fights I mean the kind of fights that you, Mick Coup
and myself have often discussed; i.e., serious violence, something which the
majority of martial artists have no experience of and often can’t even get
their heads round.
(We are not able to reproduce all of the discussion because the links leading to Shikon are now dead. However, here is a postscript)
Steve wrote: Now, a few more words to bring some
clarity to the posts here and on Shikon in the last couple of days.
There seems to be some confusion as to what I mean when I say ‘I’m your
enemy’. That expression is derived from a Schoepenhauer quote which Patrick
McCarthy sent to me, and it really rang true with me: ‘Our friends teach us
what we want to know. Our enemies teach us what we need to know.’
This statement applies to me in two ways. First, it has meaning as to my
role within the martial arts community. I’m here to tell you what fighting
is and by association what training must be, rather than telling you that
what you’re doing is fine. Second, I take the idea of the ‘enemy as teacher’
right into my gym. In order to build those necessary responses to an
adversary, you have to be able to replicate that adversary in training, and
this training partner/adversary has to play the role of your worst enemy,
not your best friend. In training.
So when I say I’m your enemy, that’s not personal. I’m not going to come and
burn your house down. But I’m out to destroy what you might believe in or
what you practice, and if you’re smart you’ll learn from that. I want to
teach you, but I’m not going to placate to what you want. I’m only going to
give you what you need. And I can do that in a safe way.
When I ask people to empathise, I want them to pick up on my violence.
Whether you like it or not, whether it comes naturally or not (and most
importantly for you, if it doesn’t come naturally, you need to have somebody
like me to take you there psychologically). Ken Milling knew that when he
sought me out, and as a psychologist he understood exactly what I was
talking about. He had trepidations about even coming to me; he wasn’t
choosing me because I was a sympathetic character that he could relate to,
but because he recognized I had something that he needed, and it would
appear that I was able, in a civilized way, to give that to him. Without
brutalizing him in any way.
Last year at this time, I was embroiled in the Karate Underground fiasco and
Steve Rowe came in and picked up the ball. And I was grateful for that, and
I still am. But the fact that Steve Rowe and I met and got along as human
beings doesn’t change the marked difference between our thinking,
objectives, and practices as martial artists. I told Steve Rowe directly
(and if you’re reading this, Steve, you know that I did): I won’t rest until
the entire martial arts system as it stands collapses. I’m out to destroy
what you do. That’s what an enemy is all about.
Everybody has their own point of view as to what the martial arts are about.
Some guys believe that representations such as this clip are accurate
portrayals of reality. If this is anybody’s ‘alternative point of view’ then
they’re welcome to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2dSzgRSNN0
Now here’s something a little closer to what my experience of reality is,
both the agony and the ecstasy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYMJ4I5C2O4
You guys have got to really realise that to me, this is a serious business.
It’s not recreation, it’s not religion, it’s not about marketing or
appealing to what people enjoy. It’s for people like Bloody Nuisance (who
posted yesterday), that walk in the door wanting to learn for real how to
handle themselves with regard to real violence. I’m not going to pat them on
the head and give them a nice, easy option. That would be selling them
short. But equally, I’m not going to abuse them, beat them up, or tear them
down. I’m going to build them up for real, not with illusions of
self-esteem, but the real thing which comes by challenging, punishing
training that targets the individual at the level he is, taking him to the
level where he needs to be.
That’s my job as a trainer.